We've been out house hunting again (note: it's winter. in Virginia. it just looks like that. it's much prettier in spring.) We have now seen, uh, I think eleven houses (and another ten or so in 2004). We've seen probably four that were just garbage, five that were interesting, but maybe more attractive at a lower price, and two that we were really very pleased with. We've been looking in
Manassas,
Front Royal,
Winchester,
Woodbridge,
Reston (which is really nowhere near as nice as the wikipedia article makes it out to be), and
Herndon. We considered looking in
Stafford and places south, but going
north on I-95 in the morning (note location of Manassas and Stafford on linked map) is just not an option. Coming in on 66 sucks, but it's nowhere near as bad. Plus, that corridor is a lot more likely to get light rail and metro than 95 is. Who wants to go to
Newington from DC?
Here's the rundown, so far. Reston, Herndon, while being convenient, and close, give us homes that are not very big, have very little land, and are too close to our neighbors. Additionally, they're in a pretty bad state of repair. So we could probably move out there, from Arlington, but we'd be unhappy with what we've got, and when you spend many hundreds of thousands of dollars, you just can't walk into it unhappy. At least, I can't. This all changes when you get closer to a million dollars (and this is a first house for us, so not a chance here). The neighborhood of 700-900k is pretty okay in terms of quality and location. You can probably get away with slightly less than that in a townhouse, which we're pretty sure we don't want. There was a place off Frying Pan (yeah, they're weird like that in Northern Virginia) that was an end-unit, new, two car garage, and had a yard, but that was in 2004, and it was $420,000 back then. Today it's over $600k. Oh, and occupied.
We looked at Manassas, which is kind of a change for us. I'd never spent much time out there. There's this corridor between 95 and 66, rt. 234, which is reasonably largeish for traffic. There's also an incredible variance in home quality there. There are some nice places in terrible neighborhoods (the first one we looked at yesterday was actually pretty nice in and out, but it was in approximately the worst neighborhood this side of, say, Tijuana). The inverse is true, as well. We found a place we liked pretty well. It was a bit much (just about 10% outside of what we wanted to spend), but it was in a nice neighborhood. The problem was there was all the PO's furniture in it, so it was really hard to get an idea of what the place
looked like. Add to that there was a huge Salvadoran family that was talking to their agent about underbidding and getting in the bid, like,
today, and I just don't want to get into
another bidding
war quagmire.
The view west from Front Royal across the 66 corridor
Then there's
Haymarket. For those of you in the area, Haymarket is approximately the place between DC and Tennessee where you realize civilization has started again. It's right after the exit to
29 from 66 (out by Gainesville), and it's about twenty miles further in than Front Royal. The houses are, correspondingly, about 10% more expensive. The houses we've been looking at in FR are generally up in the mountains, and have enormous yards (3 acres, give or take), and great views (usually from about 3000' up, and out across the western Virginia (not
WV) valley). However, being built on a mountain means your lot is probably a hill, and not especially serviceable. This factor increases the higher you go up, because we don't have mesas in Virginia.
So Haymarket, for contrast, has homes on flatter lots, generally a little smaller (say, 1-2 acres), a little more expensive, and somewhat older (1980 vs 1990). But there's also a different sort of person living in them.
Let me digress for a moment here. There is a huge variance in the kind of people out past Dulles. You get people that are buying out there because they don't
want to be in the DC area, you get people that can't
afford to be closer, and I think the rest of them are people that didn't want to be closer when they were originally kicked out of the garden of eden. That latter type tend to live in
very weird houses, ranging from really gross to, uh, grosser. Generally. The first type can be very eccentric, so you're not sure what you're going to get when you look at one of those (house built into a four-story octagon? check. sacrificial chamber in basement? check.). Some of them are nice, some of them are creepy. They're generally on large, nice lots, though. And inside work is stuff that Can Be Done. Type two are a strange bunch. Some of them bought nice houses out there that would have been twice as much in the Fairfax or Arlington (thrice as much) areas. Some of them just bought modest houses out there. Generally, though, they've done a pretty good job of keeping the place up, they're modestly updated, and serviceable. Since you're going to wind up ripping things out and redecorating, these are good places to look at. You want four walls and a roof that isn't going to collapse, not high fashion.
This puts us somewhere in the convergence of groups 1 and 2. The obvious problem is there's pretty much uniform distribution, so the 1 and 2 houses are going to be scattered amongst the 3 houses, which kind of frighten us. There are a few places the first two tend to clump together. One of these places is Haymarket. The other is the High Knob area of Front Royal.
So yesterday, we find ourself way out in the sticks, but in a neighborhood I wouldn't have any problem associating with, say, the 7100 corridor, except the houses are on 1-2 acre plots. The houses are not quite new (10-20 years old), but because the bias favors 1 more than 2, all of them are in pretty good shape. The roads are in good shape, the yards are in good shape, and there even seems to be a pretty even demographic (40-50, multiple cars — meaning toys, not el-caminos-on-bricks — 2-3 kids, say bottom of the upper middle class category). It gets a little weird, though. One place we looked at had a
deer stand (this is a seat, attached to a tree, 8-12 feet up, from which you can
shoot deer from an altitude they don't expect bullets to come from), and when we were looking at it, the neighbor to the west of us was entertaining his daughter by driving around the backyard on a 500cc 4-wheeler, which was outfitted with a deer-carcass pallet, and done up in camouflage. So, there's a bit of an eccentric stripe in them (of course, they think anyone who wears corduroy pants and
sits in front of a computer sixteen hours a day is weird...).





The house that we most liked had a huge deck, lots of space (eh, 3200-3500 ft
2), which was intelligently partitioned, a big yard (deer stand, steel flapper targets for .22 LR, shed, new driveway — big enough for a full sized trailer — and relatively new appliances. Oh yeah, and a garage more than big enough for my evil plans with regards to the Z (that is, full engine swap, stripping the chassis down, possibly painting, and chassis work), and enough to certainly park both indoors, and five more in the driveway. Yeah, seven cars worth of parking. Yeesh. Anyways, the garage is finished, so I won't have any concerns about spilling brake fluid/paint/motor oil/gasoline on it. Neat.
It suits us pretty well. It's a little more than we want to spend, but then it's been on the market for 200+ days, and they're offering a pretty good amount towards closing. So I think we break even there. The commute is 50mi instead of 75mi. Interestingly, the commute from 75mi starts to get ugly right there (just past 29), so that 25mi ∆ is actually just another gallon of gas and twenty minutes you spend, each way, every day.
The yard don't suck.
The outside ain't bad.

... but one car garage ...
the master bedroom is about as big as a shoebox ...
and... egad.Contrast this to the House On The Mountain, and you have a less-nice yard (but no HOA, meaning firearms are A-OK — I'd really like to be able to
sight in a rifle in the back yard — as are open-exhaust vehicles, etc), but a nicer house, and a shorter commute. Note that we absolutely
love the lot on HOTM, and we "like" the Haymarket house.